We usually see two camps:
PHP is way better than it used to be, and huge sites still run it (Facebook/Wikipedia, etc...)
PHP always sucked... anything is better.
I want to know, which side are you on? What your thoughts on PHP?
@jacobian for scale...
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I believe that PHP has progressed and only become better than it used to be. With PHP 7+ and frameworks like Laravel & Zend, PHP can produce high-quality, maintainable, and respectable codebases.
It's not always the right tool for a lot of jobs, but it can be used with great success.
I believe how good a programming language is dependent on how large its community. The ease of using one language depends on how much help you can get from users of such language. Thats one of the reasons behind languages like JAVA still topping the chat at the expense of more flexible languages like kotlin. I personally enjoy PHP. Its great for both functional and object oriented programming. It has great frameworks and libraries e.g Laravel, Symfony etc. It can also be used for data driven websites like facebook. Did i mention its super easy to learn and work with.
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PHP is fine. I have been using it for 5 years. My intro into it was with Symfony and a best practice doc so I got to see how good it could be used. PHP has some quirks but overall it is easy to develop with for both web and non-web tasks.
Now the problem with PHP more than some other languages is it's opportunity for abuse. The other day we upgraded to php 7.2 and some things broke. It turns out you used to be able to declare a string and used it as a associative array (hash map).
PHP is littered with weird things like this, but ultimately it is up to the developer to not do dumb things.
This code will generate big problems in future. Never use it.
I'd never! That does not stop others though unfortunately.
Please add comment "Never do this!" into this part of code. Somebody may read this like a pattern.
Why this code is bad?
String is not an array.
PHP is way better than it used to be. OOP is perfect, database connectors too, super modules for maintaining XML, JSON, CSV,...
PHP is not just one language. I use SQL, XPath and XSLT in it as well. This combination is very cool and speed is like on steroids.
OOP in PHP is not perfect. For instance, an interface can define the constructor's signature.
This isn't allowed in most languages(maybe any others) and is pretty against SOLID principles.
This is not against SOLID principles. Simply I don't use it.
Hey @lizziekardon . It doesn't matter which side someone is on.There cannot be a healthy debate when the purpose is to put people into camps. Every programming language sucks depending on who you ask. Let's say i have a problem that i need to solve, I could solve it using any of the existing languages. What would make me choose one particular language and not the other is constraints i.e. performance , size, elegance, ease of implementation e.t.c. For some problems PHP is still a better option but we would not admit it since its cool nowadays to hate on PHP.
Don't need to put anybody into camps, just sharing what I've found! Would love love love a healthy debate, that's why I used the tag ;) -- what are your thoughts? sounds like you're all for it if it's helping to solve a particular problem?
I don't mind using PHP at all. At the end of the day what matters is the user experience. Developers care about this stuff but our users don't. If using PHP would give a better user experience am all for it. But from the title it's a yay or nay for PHP. I feel like that doesn't leave much room for discussion.
nice. good answer! thanks for sharing.
I've shifted from side 2 toward side 1 in the last months. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of PHP programs that are absolute shite in terms of code quality. But with the introduction of PHP frameworks, I've come to love the possibilities PHP has to offer. They're still just as easy to deploy and it's easier to create large enterprise projects without losing control of the code quality. And let's be honest, the same thing goes for javascript. There are still loads of people hating on javascript for what it used to be. But since ES6 it's so much better and the frameworks only improved on that.
I started off with PHP, but prefer Node over it and just about anything else imo.
The pros of PHP as well as just about any other server-side language over Node is short and sweet; better built-in methods. String methods, object methods, etc.. JS is rapidly catching up here, but if I found myself wanting more for less, I'd probably move over to Python.
Anyways, PHP is fine for most use-cases, but I've come to love Node for a few things:
The combination of the above points are why I struggle to find much of a reason to use PHP or any other server-side languages.
But if the use-case is to simply model and serve content, just about any language will do the job, including PHP.
Well docker is very much needed even for PHP. Testing, staging, production, config this, config that... As opposed to other languages where i pretty much deploy app as is whitout configuring other stuff. Now this depends on your project but lately I was using .NET Core on Azure. Yes, we did have also Angular frontend which is 2 languages for one app as said in the tweet. But also we had mobile app and Xamarin was used which is still C#. Now only thing we did was variable replacement during deploy which is handled by azure, you just put in variable name and value for each deployment you need. So there was usualy couple of variables to handle like DB connection string and that kind of stuf. It takes about 2 minutes to setup all vars for 3 kinds of deployment. So for me there's nothing PHP offers me in those terms. Other than that I dislike the syntax. Java and C# have array.stream().filer() and array.select() respectively which to me is much nicer than array_filer(array, "function name"). Ruby, Scala, Kotlin, and many more have similar style while PHP keeps it C-like. That's why I disslike the language compared to others. Now, it's still a good language and has its perks but it's probably more about the preference(taste) tha other stuff.
Modern PHP is great. Especially when using a framework like Laravel. The Laravel docs are amazing too. Very detailed and organised.
As someone who uses PHP every day, but who used to use real programming languages, PHP is...
wait, can you see my bias showing?
PHP is pretty awful, but being totally fair, so are a lot of languages. They're just awful in different ways.
If I could have the last decade of my life over, would I try to avoid PHP? Yes. Yes, I would.
PHP is where the jobs are, though - at least the jobs I've been able to get. It's still everywhere.
And it is getting better, just not as quickly as it should. It still has dreadful new features added to it all the time, and it's still plain bonkers. The only modern frameworks that are any good are the ones that try to corral its bits and pieces into something stricter. And hay, why not use something stricter in the first place?